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Post by tyretrax on Jan 1, 2011 2:24:47 GMT 1
Jonathan Swales wants to see an expansion of the N.J.L., lets hope Glasgow are invited this time. Maybe the No. 8 could travel with the team to away meetings to gain experience the way Jimmy Mac. & Bobby Beaton did.
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Post by davie on Jan 1, 2011 19:11:45 GMT 1
they prolly could but its wether they actually do is another story unfortunately i dont see any that regularly second half at ashfield being committed enough to get anywhere in the sport
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Post by lavalamp on Jan 4, 2011 1:02:23 GMT 1
Davie, it isn't about riders not being committed. Have you ever thought of the expense of riding? Of having an engine blow up and it might take a couple of months pay to be able to afford to fix it or buy another 2nd hand engine. This year is a prime example of more rules to make it more expensive eg the silencers. All the rules apply to everyone that brings a bike into the stadium and as there is no pay then it is constant dipping into pockets to do anything.
The fact that there are no training tracks or tracks running training schools within two hours of Glasgow is also a problem in that there are no new faces riding in the 2nd half. It also helps if people who are willing to travel to Glasgow do not get turned away from riding.
Don't judge people before you know the facts.
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Post by davie on Jan 4, 2011 10:55:15 GMT 1
lava thats where comitment comes in to be able to make it in this sport you got to make sacrifices no one said it is easy but from what ive seen not one of the regulars has commited to try and make it james mcbain tryed to last year and then quit the team he was in for whatever reason instead of ruffing it out and giving it a real go the facts a plain to see the only one that has given it a decent go in reasent years is cal mcdade traveling and picking up team rides whenever he could he donr a meeting down south scored 15 and made £10 witch payed for a burger on the way back thats comitment so dont give me how exspensive it is i know ive been around speedway for a long time there is always a way if you fully commit yourself and not just play at it and as for the facts they are plane to see if riders from over seas can make it over hear its is obvious the junor riders arnt doing it right fact ...
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Post by tyretrax on Jan 4, 2011 14:48:55 GMT 1
Don't judge people before you know the facts. [/quote]
I think that people who go to speedway are quite aware of the vast costs involved in being a speedway rider but it still takes commitment. Juniors also need encouragement, it can't do much for a boy's (or girl's) confidence to see riders brought thousands of miles on speculation. O.K. sometimes you find a gem, but locals still need a fair go.
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Post by davie on Jan 4, 2011 17:11:55 GMT 1
for the junior riders up here to make a go of it they need to commit to riding down south to get to a level that a team will take a chance on them we all know that they dont get much off a chance up here that is a fact but there is nothing that can be done about it both edinburgh and glasgow tried to run conference teams but with the lack of suporters willing to come to these matches they proved far to costly to keep going so the chance was there but the supporters let that down by not supporting it by turning up it costs the same to run a junior match as it does to run a pl match the stadium still costs the same to hire ,,,,, so now its down to the individual rider to make the commitment and do the traveling if they want to be anything in the sport that is a fact so for the locals to be given a fair go they have to show something in their riding to take a chance on ,,,,, example young nick morris was over in 2009 had a few spins when he just started to ride 500s and strait away you could see that he had a bit off tallent all be it he was crashing alot but when he was on the bike he was passing all of our junior riders who had been rideing the track for years who would you take a chance on given the choice
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Post by snapper on Jan 4, 2011 17:35:00 GMT 1
What Davie says is true. What we need is a tract to run NL but not Glasgow or Edinburgh because we need new fans to support at this level. Look at the crowds for the Golden Helmet if it was not for the sponsorship this meeting would never run as not enough fans attend.
STARs ran the Snowball in 2009 and it was well received by everyone with fans staying to watch but in 2010 we could not find at least 6 riders of a decent quality to ride each month and we did have sponsorship to help with the riders costs.
Just look at the number of guys coming through from Motocross as there is more prize money in Speedway. Until we get a training track in Scotland we will need to keep importing guys.
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Post by tyretrax on Jan 4, 2011 20:35:52 GMT 1
he was passing all of our junior riders who had been rideing the track for years who would you take a chance on given the choice [/quote] As I said sometimes you find a gem.
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Post by btl on Jan 4, 2011 21:38:14 GMT 1
I think snapper's hit the nail on the head - we desperately need a training track.
But what we also need is a NL team in Scoland - and not a Glasgow or Edinburgh 2nd team. It has to be somewhere other than Ashfield or Armadale so they can build a new fan base to support such a team
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Post by bernielagrosse on Jan 4, 2011 23:10:46 GMT 1
I always thought Stirling would be a good place for another Scottih track. I know they used to have (maybe still do) a trotting track. I agree it needs to be somewhere with a separate fan base. Maybe a joint venture between Tigers/ Monarchs
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Post by tyretrax on Jan 4, 2011 23:20:33 GMT 1
I have a friend who has a fair sized piece of land near Stirling which would be ideal but who would finance such a venture ? There is a similar post on B.S.F. under U.K. riders
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Post by lavalamp on Jan 5, 2011 0:23:34 GMT 1
So for Scottish Juniors to be committed then they have to move to England? So we WONT have any juniors at all then and STILL spend money importing overseas riders ie Nick Morris etc. At this rate, we won't have any Scottish riders left as what is the point in spending thousands of pounds to find that there are no team spots in a team near your home? The reason the overseas riders are so much better is that they get training time on tracks. If the juniors over here don't get the same opportunities as the overseas riders then of course they wont be as good.
A training track would be a great start but the problem is that there has been too long a gap since Linlithgow shut and so there are few young riders coming through. That means there will be very few riders to pay the money for training. I also know of someone who has land and heavy machinery and was willing to put a track in but I don't think there is enough support from the promotions.
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Post by snapper on Jan 5, 2011 1:05:34 GMT 1
When both Glasgow and Edinburgh are losing money each year on their own tracks how would they be able to support another track it would need to be a new promotion just as it was at Linlithgow
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Post by Dougie on Jan 5, 2011 17:47:50 GMT 1
what about the beach a lot of well known speedway riders use to practice that way,lava get your self up to a decent standard before you go to a track and another thing you can use anything on a beach no J.J. to worry about
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Post by davie on Jan 5, 2011 18:10:05 GMT 1
lava im not saying its right , but the fact off the matter is their are training facility's down south and there are not up here for the simple reason that they were not supported well enough to make ends meet and as dougie said there is the beach to practice on the scottish number one used to practice on old waste land and travel to as many meeting as possible to get on in the sport he commited himself to make it and had the bottle to be a speedway rider , you can argue all day but the facts are there to see adam makinna took the plunge and moved south to get a team place , its all very well and good spouting they need track time but they need to travel to get it and they do get as much time as we can allow at glasgow but we do have a curfew to run to and lets face it how many stay behind after the main meeting to see these guys practice not many so its no wonder the promoters dont take a gamble and run a junior team as they can plainly see they will not get the support they would need to make it work . and another problem is there is not enough to run one anyway as Colin said he could not get enough interest to run the junior snowball in 2010 so what does that tell you and that was sponsored . so im not saying its right or wrong but what i am saying that its a pish poor state to get into when juniors wont commit themselfs to a meeting that was well run and had a prise at the end off it
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