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Post by daveallan on Aug 8, 2017 3:24:02 GMT 1
I was browsing Speedway Researcher recently and discovered there were no club season files for Coatbridge 74/75/76. With the full season results file at my disposal I thought it would be a simple enough task to extract the relevant pages and create the individual files. Wrong! The reporting in 1974 was, shall we say, somewhat lacking in detail. I have a full set of home programmes for the year, but several are blank. From the marked ones it's clear that some of the reports lack even the basic information you'd expect - missing retirements and falls are common but by far the worst are the absent tapes and 2-minute exclusions.
So I'm looking for help from anyone who may have meeting-marked programmes that would be willing to scan the racecards for me. I don't have a specific requirements list - I fear if I did it would run to several pages - so I'll take everything you've got, including any aways you may have. We can go via email if you wish, PM me for the relevant details.
Thanks.
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Post by daveallan on Aug 18, 2017 14:01:04 GMT 1
This query is from 1975 and concerns heats 9 & 10 of the 6th June Scotianapolis. The Speedway Star reports the results as: Heat 09: Collins, Fullerton, W. Templeton, Beaton, 70.4 Heat 10: McKeon, Emerson, Bastable, Shirra (ef), 72.2 I have a marked programme but cannot confirm if it was completed at the meeting or after the event. There is an 'error' in the heat formula; Y/B in heat 9 should be rider #11 (Sid Sheldrick) and Red in heat 10 should be rider #12 (Mitch Shirra). As you can see the programme has those the wrong way around: The programme seems to indicate Shirra went in heat 9 and Beaton for Sheldrick in heat 10. Can anyone confirm the result of these heats?
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Post by Flying Tiger on Aug 19, 2017 15:01:42 GMT 1
Hi Dave,
I have two filled-in copies of this programme - both note that Beaton replaced Sheldrick in heat 9 with Shirra riding in heat 10
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Post by daveallan on Aug 20, 2017 21:05:13 GMT 1
Cheers for that.
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Post by daveallan on Aug 21, 2017 1:45:28 GMT 1
I knew it wouldn't take long to find another query. I've got conflicting views from two marked programmes so can anyone clear up this one from 11th April 1975 v Ellesmere Port (KOC):
Heat 05: Jackson exc, 2 mins or exc, tapes? Heat 11: Hughes 2nd & Jackson 3rd or vice-versa?
And this one 18th April 1975 Scottish Pairs Championship:
Heat 02: Trownson excluded & replaced by Norrie Allan - Speedway Star did not report this and credits Trownson with 4th place in the heat. Was he excluded and if so, why?
My programme has J. Auld as second reserve - I can't find any reference to this rider in 2nd halves so I need his forename, assuming of course he was in the meeting.
And another 25th April 1975 v Paisley (NNL):
Heat 13: finishing order of Sid Sheldrick & Mike Fullerton - Speedway Star has them in that order 3rd & 4th but programme and an internet source say vice-versa. Also confirm times of heats 7 & 8 as 74.8 and 74.2 and did Mick Sheldrick fall in his only two rides in heats 1 & 5?
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Sept 18, 2017 10:15:05 GMT 1
1975 v Ellesmere Heat 5: My programme doesn't show reason for Jackson exclusion. Heat 11: I have Hughes 2nd and Jackson 3rd
1975 Pairs Championship Heat 2: I have Norrie Allan replacing Trownson after a tapes exclusion No mention of J.Auld in my programme, can't say I recognise the name at all
1975 v Paisley Heat 7: I have 71.8 as the time Heat 8: No time recorded in my programme Heat 13: I have Fullerton in 3rd and Sheldrick in 4th Mick Sheldrick: My programme has him with a "0" in heat 2 and an "F" in heat 5
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Post by daveallan on Oct 9, 2017 0:46:37 GMT 1
23rd May 1975 v Birmingham, I need to confirm the following results:
Heat 05: Speedway Star reports Hart, McKeon, Gallacher, Major, White (exc) My programme reports Hart, McKeon, Dawson, Major, Gallacher (exc) Reason for exclusion(s) also appreciated if possible.
Heat 06: heat time? Confirm Dawson as r/r in blue.
Heat 07: Speedway Star reports Browning, McKeon, Askew, Beresford My programme reports Browning, Shirra, Askew, Beresford
Heat 10: Speedway Star reports Browning, Collins, Dawson, Askew My programme reports Browning, Collins, Gallacher, Askew If Dawson took his r/r ride in heat 6 he wasn't eligible for heat 10 as Tigers were only 5 down.
Tigers #8 also required.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by daveallan on Oct 9, 2017 18:25:19 GMT 1
Further to the Birmingham queries, I've found a picture of a marked programme which I must have snagged from Ebay a while ago. It puts a further spin on the published results. Can anyone tell me how it stacks up against their version of events? Also 2nd May v Scunthorpe, in heat 13 was Dawson excluded and replaced by Heller as reported? The Star says yes, the programme below says no.
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Oct 11, 2017 14:55:41 GMT 1
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Post by daveallan on Oct 11, 2017 23:49:18 GMT 1
Absolutely superb effort, many thanks. The only matches not included were 15th August v Peterborough and 24th October Scottish Junior Championship - if you are missing the Peterborough one I have a spare copy you'd be more than welcome to.
As you suggested may be the case, they have thrown up a couple of additional queries which I'll come to shortly. But those are far outweighed by the errors that have been resolved and corrected. The standard of reporting from some meetings is abysmal.
Anyway, the queries for anyone who can help:
13th June v Bradford: Heat 5 - finishing order of Wilcock and Fielding.
12th September v Boston: Heat 5 - finishing order of Argall and Derek Richardson.
3rd October v Eastbourne: Confirm Colin Richardson's 4 rides in heats 2, 6, 8 & 9 (3, exc-tapes, ret, ret) and confirm Ian Fletcher's 4 rides in heats 2, 4, 6 & 8 (0, 0, 0, exc-tapes).
I also need to confirm the name of rider #16 in the Scottish Junior Championship - reported as A. Nichol but I wonder if it should be Jim Nichol? Also the meeting reserve J. Logan - I'm assuming this is Jimmy but open to correction.
Again, many thanks for all your help.
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Post by daveallan on Oct 12, 2017 15:44:51 GMT 1
I'm compiling the averages for 1975 and remarkably it appears that the league meetings ridden, points and bonus points scored all tally with those in the Into The 80's handbook.
There are some differences in rides taken however. Harry MacLean only rode in three away matches and 'official' records say he took 6 rides. My figures say he took 7. As #8 at Ellesmere Port he took a solitary pointless ride and I'm ok with that. 20th July at Bradford reports say 2+1 from 3 (0, 1, 1*) and 27th July at Rye House 1+1 from 3 (fell, ret, 1*).
Coatbridge Tiger, can you please check the 8th August Newcastle programme and tell me if it carries any reports of Tigers scorers in these matches?
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Oct 12, 2017 18:50:23 GMT 1
Glad to know that the scans proved useful. I already have a blank copy of the Peterborough programme, but thanks for the offer. Here are scans of what I have from 1974 and 1976, not as comprehensive as '75 unfortunately. Note that the Teeside meeting in 74 is out of sequence, it got lost and rediscovered during the scanning process. There's also a Brian Collins Training School scorecard included, though every heat line-up has been changed, so I've no idea what meeting the results are actually for. Some of the 1976 programmes are a bit neat and tidy, so will probably match the Speedway Star results! 1974 - Part 11974 - Part 21976
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Oct 12, 2017 18:53:02 GMT 1
I'm compiling the averages for 1975 and remarkably it appears that the league meetings ridden, points and bonus points scored all tally with those in the Into The 80's handbook. There are some differences in rides taken however. Harry MacLean only rode in three away matches and 'official' records say he took 6 rides. My figures say he took 7. As #8 at Ellesmere Port he took a solitary pointless ride and I'm ok with that. 20th July at Bradford reports say 2+1 from 3 (0, 1, 1*) and 27th July at Rye House 1+1 from 3 (fell, ret, 1*). Coatbridge Tiger, can you please check the 8th August Newcastle programme and tell me if it carries any reports of Tigers scorers in these matches? The scorers from the Bradford and Rye House meetings were included. Newcastle 1975
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Post by daveallan on Oct 12, 2017 22:00:46 GMT 1
Fantastic stuff! The Brian Collins Training School programme is marked for the 1975 Scottish Junior Championship. The 1974 meeting was never run so they must have held the programmes back for 12 months! Strange that they mucked about so much with the riding order.
Thanks for the Bradford/Rye House results - it appears Harry missed his first ride at Bradford but I'll need to track that down and confirm it. CONFIRMED
Having battered into the averages this afternoon I think I've narrowed down the matches that need checked.
7th April at Crewe where I'm looking for Heller taking one of Collins' rides. Heller reported as 9 from 4 and Pogo 1 from 4.
23rd May v Birmingham to confirm whether Gallacher (as r/r for Wilson) was excluded from heat 6 for tape breaking. The Speedway Star results are wrong, one programme says yes and another says no!
7th June at Paisley to ascertain the reason Gallacher was excluded in heat 7. A scan I found online possibly indicates it was for tapes as a rerun is noted. If that is the case then it's the Birmingham match above that's causing the problem with his ride total. RESOLVED
13th June v Bradford to ascertain why Templeton was excluded in heat 1.
RESOLVED
Thanks again, CT.
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Post by daveallan on Oct 16, 2017 1:36:07 GMT 1
Does the re-issued 1st October 1976 Berwick programme carry any indication that the match was to have been the 2nd leg of a challenge or was it a stand-alone fixture?
Do you have the 15th October 1976 junior 3TT programme?
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