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Post by daveallan on Jun 8, 2014 15:32:15 GMT 1
Gary Williams is correct. He rode in one SJL fixture for Paisley at Coatbridge on 15/4/77, scoring 2 points. His team mates were Kenny Jarvie and Mick McCoy. The aforementioned Stephen Barr, Alan MacLean and Paul Richardson were the Tiger Cubs.
He got caught, along with Milton Keynes' Steve Payne if I recall, packing frames and engines with blaw. I think they got the idea from Cheech & Chong.
Gary is one of only two SJL riders who rode in a World Final, representing Australia in the Pairs with Sanders in 82, 83 & 84. Anyone care to guess at the other rider?
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Post by tyretrax on Jun 8, 2014 22:33:33 GMT 1
"Williams" was the name given to Gary because Jimmy Beaton couldn't pronounce "Gugliemi"
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Post by daveallan on Jun 9, 2014 11:06:57 GMT 1
"Williams" was the name given to Gary because Jimmy Beaton couldn't pronounce "Gugliemi" It hints at that in the yearbook, nice to know it's true! Back to Ettienne a moment. The Norwegian matches were reported in Speedway Star without heat details. Scorers for the home teams were as follows: Bergen: Ulf Lovaas 11, Ed Stangeland 8, Jan Gravningen 5, Per Hetland 5, Helge Langli 4, Kjell Gimre 4, Arne Hauge 1. Sandes and Jaerin: Ed Stangeland 12, Reidar Eide 11, Kjell Gimre 8, Stein Pedersen 4, Auden Olsen 3, Per Lavang 2, Per Hetland 0.
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Post by castrolr on Jun 9, 2014 14:07:59 GMT 1
Coombes is quite correct ,when the pipe band had to exit stage right over the Coatbridge fence the referee that night was not Jack Cuthbert but another old worthy known as "Chappie" Chapman whose dog also had a claim to fame when it inadvertantly switched on the red lights.
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Post by coombes on Jun 10, 2014 11:12:17 GMT 1
Legendary dog, pity we never found out its name! Chappie's other - well another anyway!- moments came at the White City when Lars Jansson and Tommy Berquist collided on the second lap up, a difficult call and he couldn't really make up.his mind! Each time he decided on an exclusion the opposing team manager would persuade him otherwise. This went.on for ages and in the end the crowd didn't really care who got put out as long as we got a race. Jansson was excluded and really he was never quite the same after that.
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Post by drosser on Jun 14, 2014 0:09:16 GMT 1
Gary Williams is correct. He rode in one SJL fixture for Paisley at Coatbridge on 15/4/77, scoring 2 points. His team mates were Kenny Jarvie and Mick McCoy. The aforementioned Stephen Barr, Alan MacLean and Paul Richardson were the Tiger Cubs. He got caught, along with Milton Keynes' Steve Payne if I recall, packing frames and engines with blaw. I think they got the idea from Cheech & Chong. Gary is one of only two SJL riders who rode in a World Final, representing Australia in the Pairs with Sanders in 82, 83 & 84. Anyone care to guess at the other rider? Having wracked the remains of my fading brain, I have to admit defeat on this one - any clues?
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Jun 14, 2014 0:42:55 GMT 1
I would guess it might be Wayne Brown? Perhaps he rode in a WTC final for New Zealand?
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Post by daveallan on Jun 14, 2014 1:27:15 GMT 1
Wayne Brown is Australian and while he rode for Oz in WTC qualifiers, he never rode in a final. A clue you say? He rode for Halifax.
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Post by drosser on Jun 14, 2014 1:29:07 GMT 1
I have no programmes at all from 1973 so can't assist on the pseudonym conundrum but I took a look at the season file on Speedway Researcher and Ettienne was back in official league action on 25th August as Tigers number 8 at Halifax, his only official appearance. Here's a file of his results in the UK in 1973, including his matches for Berwick. www.dropbox.com/s/if3ogryhwcdw33f/EttienneOlivier1973.pdfI then discovered two further matches representing Mac's Marauders in Norway no less. 5 Tigers and 2 guests (Wyer & Wilson) rode in meetings at Bergen and Stavanger (Sandes) on 26 & 28 October respectively. The Marauders won in Bergen 40-38 with Dave Gifford 10(4), Doug Wyer 9(4), Reg Wilson 9(4), Bobby Beaton 6(4), Robin Adlington 3(4), Ettienne Olivier 2(3) & John Wilson 1(3). They went down by the same scoreline in Stavanger, Reg Wilson 10(4), Doug Wyer 8(4), Dave Gifford 8(4), Bobby Beaton 6(4), Robin Adlington 4(4), John Wilson 2(3)& Ettienne Olivier 0(3). These matches were his final appearances. I assume the 'Mac' in Mac's Marauders' referred to the absent Jim McMillan and for some reason it was deemed unsuitable to ride as Coatbridge? I also assume these matches were in some way connected to Svein Kaasa, the file reports them simply as challenges. .None of which answers your query Coombes, but I thought it was worth adding. I must also add that mainly due to an overdose of old Taggart episodes on DVD I can't help but envisage Mark McManus slamming a 1973 copy of Speedway Star doon on the Biscuits' desk and proclaiming "That's no' John Smith, it's Ettienne Olvier." Then they aw get in mark 1 Sierras and speed home to sort their programmes.. Coatbridge was a real hotbed of intrugue when you think about it. 1973 also brought the incredible disappearing West German of course. Didn't Gary Guglielmi ride under an assumed name at Coatbridge for a time, right at the very end of Cliftonhill? There was even an underage scandal with Mitch Shirra and the mass suicide attempt by the marching band. Isn't speedway dull nowadays Dave Gifford made some mention of these Norwegian meetings in his humerous interviews in Speedway Plus. www.speedwayplus.com/dave_gifford.shtml and www.speedwayplus.com/dave_gifford2.shtml . Anyone who has not read these interviews and enjoys a little 'tongue-in-cheek' humour should check them out. He also mentioned another Norwegian encounter when he had a coming together with Ulf Lovaas "I was involved in a bit of a spill with Dag Lovas' brother, I think his name was Oaf, who forgot to turn left at the end of the main straight at Monmore which resulted in chipped and cracked vertebrae and a whole heap of damaged ligament thingys in my back"
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Post by drosser on Jun 14, 2014 2:04:18 GMT 1
Wayne Brown is Australian and while he rode for Oz in WTC qualifiers, he never rode in a final. A clue you say? He rode for Halifax. The only world class Halifax rider from that era that I can think of is the late Kenny Carter. I always assumed that he stepped straight into the Newcastle team when he was 16 but I suppose that it is possible that he could have ridden at SJL level. I have never heard of it, though.
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Post by daveallan on Jun 14, 2014 2:53:55 GMT 1
Wayne Brown is Australian and while he rode for Oz in WTC qualifiers, he never rode in a final. A clue you say? He rode for Halifax. The only world class Halifax rider from that era that I can think of is the late Kenny Carter. I always assumed that he stepped straight into the Newcastle team when he was 16 but I suppose that it is possible that he could have ridden at SJL level. I have never heard of it, though. Carter didn't ride SJL, he went straight into the Newcastle team as you say. By Halifax I mean their junior team, the rider in question never actually rode for the senior side.
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Jun 14, 2014 10:14:25 GMT 1
The only world class Halifax rider from that era that I can think of is the late Kenny Carter. I always assumed that he stepped straight into the Newcastle team when he was 16 but I suppose that it is possible that he could have ridden at SJL level. I have never heard of it, though. Carter didn't ride SJL, he went straight into the Newcastle team as you say. By Halifax I mean their junior team, the rider in question never actually rode for the senior side. I think I've got it. Did he make his name with Belle Vue and have a younger brother who also rode?
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Post by mervjankefanclub on Jun 14, 2014 11:04:18 GMT 1
Carter didn't ride SJL, he went straight into the Newcastle team as you say. By Halifax I mean their junior team, the rider in question never actually rode for the senior side. I think I've got it. Did he make his name with Belle Vue and have a younger brother who also rode? That's yer man, CT.
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Post by mervjankefanclub on Jun 14, 2014 11:11:23 GMT 1
Wayne Brown is Australian and while he rode for Oz in WTC qualifiers, he never rode in a final. A clue you say? He rode for Halifax. Wayne Brown was a Kiwi, Dave. I will always remember my Dad talking to him in the pits at Blantyre, cracking wee guy - Wayne Brown, no ma Da, although my Dad is a top man too
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Post by Coatbridge Tiger on Jun 14, 2014 11:26:54 GMT 1
I think I've got it. Did he make his name with Belle Vue and have a younger brother who also rode? That's yer man, CT. Cheers Merv, took some thinking about to be honest, great question from Dave. I'll not name him so that others can keep guessing based on the clues provided so far.
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